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Reading The Wheel of Time: Egwene Confronts Darkfriends and Rand Confronts Borderlanders in The Gathering Storm (Part 26)

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Reading The Wheel of Time: Egwene Confronts Darkfriends and Rand Confronts Borderlanders in The Gathering Storm (Part 26)

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Reading The Wheel of Time on Tor.com: The Gathering Storm

This week, Reading The Wheel of Time is covering chapters 43 and 44, in which Egwene confronts Darkfriends, Gawyn, and a difficult decision, while Rand goes to meet the Borderlanders, only to be confronted by an old ally and the memory of a not so old trauma. Nynaeve does her best to protect people from Rand and learns the whereabouts of Perrin and his company. Without further ado, let’s get to the recap.


In her tent in the rebel camp, attended by Chesa, Egwene thinks about her failure to defeat Elaida. She is angry at her followers for disobeying her orders, but she is also aware that she herself may have been able to do better. She wonders if she was too secretive, and considers that she should have shared more with Siuan.

She’d once thought, mistakenly, that the Amyrlin wouldn’t be so easily tossed about by random twists in the Pattern. She was supposed to be in control. Everyone else spent their days reacting, but the Amyrlin was a woman of action!

Egwene is now realizing that her assumptions were incorrect; Kings and Queens and Amyrlins are also tossed about by the storms of life. The only difference is that they are skilled at projecting calm and control in the face of life’s chaos. She realizes that in some ways, the Amyrlin does have more control than most people. While she still needs to adapt to the needs of the moment and the changes of the Pattern, she also has the knowledge and skills and power to shape the world in turn.

Egwene decides that she cannot wait for negotiations, not with the threats of the Seanchan and the Last Battle looming. Her army is fresh and ready, while the Tower forces are exhausted and demoralized. Now is the time to strike. She hopes that history will forgive her.

She is startled to find Gawyn outside her tent. He tries to talk to her, telling her that he needs to know where they stand and how she feels, but Egwene cuts him off, upbraiding him for ruining her work in the White Tower. He replies that he and Siuan were worried about her.

“Well, that worry was the sacrifice I demanded, Gawyn,” she said, exasperated. “Don’t you see what a distrust you have shown me? How can I trust you if you will disobey me in order to feel more comfortable?”

She tells him that while Egwene the woman understands, Egwene the Amyrlin is furious with him. She also realizes then that he doesn’t see her as the Amyrlin, and points out that this uncertainty in Gawyn undermines their relationship. She agrees to talk to him about it later.

In the White Tower, five Ajah heads—Jesse Bilal of the Brown,  Adelorna Bastine of the Green, Ferane Neheran of the White, Suana Dragand of the Yellow, and Serancha Colvine of the Gray—have gathered for a secret meeting. Tsutama hasn’t been included, since she wasn’t yet the Highest of the Red Ajah when the the Ajah heads of the White Tower came up with a scheme to heal the division in the Tower and to rule the Aes Sedai themselves by using Elaida. 

It had seemed like a brilliant plan. The division of the Tower, the departure of so many in rebellion and the raising of a new Amyrlin, had not been their fault. But it had presented several opportunities. The first had been the easiest to take hold of: send Sitters to the rebels to steer them and hasten a reconciliation. The most youthful of Sitters had been chosen, their replacements in the Tower intended to serve only a short time. The Ajah heads had been certain this ripple of a rebellion could be easily smoothed over.

The Ajah heads discuss the fact that their plan to wield power through Elaida has failed, as has their plan to reconcile the division in the White Tower. Their election of Sitters who were too young for the job made other sisters suspicious. They hadn’t anticipated Elaida’s instability, and never have anticipated how effective the rebel leadership would turn out to be. To herself, Jesse also thinks that letting Elaida disband the Blue was the greatest mistake; without that dishonor, the Blues might not have dug in so hard, keeping the rest of the rebels from returning.

With their plan to lead the White Tower themselves no longer viable, and with Elaida beyond rescue, conversation turns to the election of a new Amyrlin. Each woman suggests a member of her own Ajah, arguing for why their particular skill set is most needed. The talk rises to arguing… and then Adelorna suggests Egwene.

There is resistance at first, but as they all discuss Egwene’s ability to resist Elaida, her effectiveness during the Seanchan attack, and the fact that her appointment would bring the rebels back to the White Tower, they realize that she is the best, and the only, choice. They also realize that their dreams of leading the White Tower themselves will never come to pass, as this time they will be setting up a strong Amyrlin.

“I, for one,” Adelorna said, “think that’s a splendid idea. It’s been too long.”

One by one, the others agreed.

Siuan waits under a tree outside the tent where the Hall is meeting. When Bryne joins her, they discuss what punishment Egwene might mete out to Siuan. He asks if the risk of rescuing her was worth it.

“Yes,” Siuan said. “She didn’t realize how close this band was to slipping away from her. And we couldn’t know that she’d be safe within the Tower during the attack. If there’s one thing my time in the White Tower taught me, it’s that there is a time for gathering and planning, but one also has to act. You can’t always wait for certainty.”

Bryne tells her that she is a woman of honor, and that he understand her now: She is able to break oaths or shrug off orders when she deems it necessary because no oath is as heavy or as binding on her as the responsibility she has already put on herself. When she asks when he will tell her what the other condition is, he admits that he intends to demand that she marry him, but only after the Last Battle is over. His hope is that after Siuan has given everything for the world for so long, she will be willing to take a life for herself, with him.

Inside the tent used as the Hall, Egwene faces a dozen Sitters. Each Ajah has one missing, as they were sent as part of the envoy to the Black Tower. Sheriam is with Egwene, and has a bandage on her hand, which she won’t let anyone look at or Heal. 

Having already had the youngest member weave a ward against eavesdropping, Egwene embraces the Source. She produces the Oath Rod and swears the Three Oaths before the Hall, telling them that they can no longer claim that she has the ability to lie, or that she is not fully Aes Sedai. She then explains that a sister came to her while she was in the Tower and admitted to being a Darkfriend. She announces in plain words that she herself is not Black Ajah, then explains that each of them will be required to remove and then retake their Oaths and declare they are not Darkfriends, just as Egwene has done.

Sheriam tries to embrace the Source but Egwene is ready and shields her. She tricks Sheriam into saying a falsehood by asking her a series of rapid-fire questions, then tells her about Verin’s confession, the giving of Sheriam’s name, and how Verin got around the oaths by taking poison. Sheriam admits that this was clever; she could never bring herself to do anything similar.

When Egwene mentions that there were many other names given, including those of Sitters, Moria jumps up and runs for the door. She is shielded immediately and bound with Air. One by one, the rest of the Sitters release themselves and then retake the Three Oaths, declaring themselves not to be Darkfriends. Egwene then tells them her plan to bring the rest of the Aes Sedai into the Hall in groups, under the guise of telling everyone something important that must not be overheard by the soldiers in camp. Armed with Verin’s list of names, the Sitters will be ready to capture everyone on that list, and anyone else who is revealed when Egwene demands they all go through the same process of removing and re-swearing the Oaths.

Egwene also declares that once the job is done, they will attack the White Tower. Romanda agrees that this is what must be done, formally putting forward a motion to follow Egwene’s plan. It is unanimously agreed upon.

Accompanied by Aiel, Narishma, and Naeff, Nynaeve and Rand ride to a meeting with the Borderlanders. They discuss where Rand will fight the Last Battle. Nynaeve insists that Tarwin’s Gap is the perfect place for Rand to fight, but he disagrees. He intends to take advantage of Lan’s presence there as a distraction; the Dark will think Rand is there too, and move its forces there, at which point he will Travel in to strike at Shayol Ghul itself. Nynaeve has attempted several good, rational arguments, but none have worked.

*“Rand,” Nynaeve said, her anger fading to horror. “Lan will die!”

“Then who am I to deny him that?” Rand said. “We all deserve the chance to find peace.”

Nynaeve found her mouth hanging open. He actually believed that! Or he was convincing himself to believe it, at least.

She attempts to argue further, but Rand shuts her down with that soft, dangerous tone he has developed. She falls silent, musing on how she can change this outcome, worrying over how Lan will die at the Gap, his forces overrun, and how the Shadowspawn and the Seanchan will sweep across the lands, trampling innocents in their wake. She asks Rand if he knows where Perrin is, and Rand mentions that he is connected to Perrin, and to Mat, but won’t explain further.

They reach the rendezvous, but the Borderlanders are not there. There is only one man, who Nynaeve and Rand both recognize as Hurin. After Rand tests the man’s memory of their time together in order to prove he is who he seems to be, Rand asks Hurin what is going on.

Hurin explains that he was sent to discuss terms. The Borderlanders want to meet him in Far Madding, inside the protection of the Guardian. Rand cuts off anything else Hurin is going to say, and opens a Gateway back to a familiar stretch of road, and then to a place outside Far Madding. They can see an army camped around the lake, outside of the island city but within the reach of the ter’angreal that prevents men from reaching the Source while in its boundaries. Rand tells Nynaeve that the army will have seen him arrive, and that they want him in their box.

“The city is a box,” Rand said. “The whole city and the area round it. They want me where they can control me, but they don’t understand. Nobody controls me. Not anymore. I’ve had enough of boxes and prisons, of chains and ropes. Never again will I put myself into the power of another.”

He pulls the access key to the Choedan Kal. Nynaeve is dismayed when she sees the globe on the key begin to glow. He mutters about how they need to be taught to obey him, how they captured and beat him in Far Madding once already. Nynaeve reminds him that the city isn’t full of Graendal’s mind-controlled slaves, that they are innocent people. Rand responds that he isn’t going to hurt the city, but that the army deserves to experience fireballs, or perhaps lightning.

She tells Rand that if he does this, there will be no turning back, but he counters that he was never able to turn back; his feet were set on this path the moment Tam found him as a baby. Still, Nynaeve persists, telling him that he doesn’t have to kill anyone today.

Rand stops channeling, ordering Hurin to carry a message to the Borderlanders that the Dragon Reborn is riding to Shayol Ghul. If they wish to return to their posts and serve with honor, he will provide them with a gateway. If not, they can stay here, hiding, and they can explain to their children and their grandchildren why they were far away from their duty when the Dark One was slain and the prophecy fulfilled.

They return to Tear. As Nynaeve is dismounting, Rand tells her that Perrin is camped in the shadow of an enormous statue that looks like a sword stabbed into the Earth. When she asks why he told her, he replies that he owes her a debt for continuing to care, even when he cannot.

Nynaeve goes to Cadsuane, finding her with her usual group of Aes Sedai. Min is also there. Nynaeve approaches Cadsuane respectfully, but holds the information about Perrin hostage in an attempt to make Cadsuane tell her the plan. She does tell Cadsuane about the meeting with the Borderlanders, and how she only just stopped Rand from raining down fire on the army. She worries that it’s getting too late to do anything to change him. Cadsuane declares her determination to teach Rand to laugh again.

Corele interrupts, pointing out that many of Min’s visions have to do with events that are clearly going to happen after the Last Battle, which proves that they are going to defeat the Dark One. Therefore, it doesn’t really matter whether they are able to intervene with Rand or not. The Pattern has already decided that he will be successful.

Min counters that this is wrong, because if Rand loses, there will no longer be a Pattern.

“The girl is correct.” Cadsuane sounded surprised. “What this child sees are weavings in the Pattern from a time still distant—but if the Dark One wins, he will destroy the Pattern entirely. This is the only way the visions could fail to occur. The same holds for other prophecies and Foretellings. Our victory is by no means sure.”

Nynaeve, realizing she can’t hold back the information about Perrin if she wants a chance to help Rand, tells Cadsuane about the statue of a sword stabbed into the ground. Cadsuane, who recognizes the description at once, knows where Perrin is. She declares that they will leave at once, and admits to Nynaeve that it is not Perrin who is important to her plan, but rather one particular person who is with him.


Trying to make sense of fate and predestination in this universe is enough to make anyone’s brain melt and pour out of their ears. I really love that Min has become a philosopher/scholar about these things, because it gives the narrative more chances to get into the themes of fate and prophecy, and also because Min’s power (and therefore Min as a character) becomes less passive as a result. Her viewings are an active ability she understands and can use, rather than only being able to offer them to others for them to understand and use. Her correction of Corele, for example, shows that in this she is an authority who can participate equally in a conversation between Aes Sedai. Cadsuane seems a little surprised at the insight, but she doesn’t stop or correct Min for joining in. Min has come a long way from playing Elmindreda the fool and spying for Siuan.

I do think I understand Min’s point about her visions. If the Pattern were ever to come to an end, she wouldn’t be able to see it, because it wouldn’t be the end of a straight line, cause and effect leading to a single finality. Rather, the Dark One’s victory would result in the destruction of a never-ending circle. You couldn’t see it on the circle.

The key here, I think, is how one thinks about time. In our own world, physicists know that time exists in relation to the three dimensions of space, which is why we have the term spacetime. I once watched a video in which an astrophysicist explained why it doesn’t make sense to ask the question of what existed before the Big Bang. Time, and therefore concepts like “before” “during” and “after,” only exists because the universe exists. There was no “before” the universe, because there is no time without it.

That can be a mind-bending concept for beings who exist inside of time, but it does once again raise the question in my mind of how the Dark One himself relates to time. From everything we’ve seen, it appears that he is restrained by time, in some way, since he cannot access the souls of his followers who have been removed from the Pattern via balefire. However, he does not appear to be affected by linear time, as we saw that those Forsaken who were trapped inside the Bore with him did not age, though those closest to the “outside” or “surface” or whatever you want to call it were not fully protected from the ravages of time. (See: Balthamel and Aginor.) One might almost deduce that the Dark One exists outside time, but is somehow imprisoned by it. Perhaps by the Pattern itself.

In any case, Min is great and I am proud of her, as well as worried about her relationship with Rand. The two of them need a serious long talk, maybe over wine, but I don’t think they’ll be able to get that while Rand is in his current condition. I am now confident in my prediction that Cadsuane’s plan is to bring Tam to Rand, since she told Nynaeve that there is one person in particular, who is with Perrin, who is vital to her plans.

We know that Rand is still in there, under the paranoia and trauma and the hardness he has built around himself. In a way, he is imprisoned by these things just as the Dark One is imprisoned. The only difference is that Rand’s prison is one of his own making, while the Dark One was (presumably) imprisoned by the Creator.

I suppose it’s rather fitting that Rand would end up in a metaphorical prison due to the corruption of the taint. As the soul designated to fight and repel the Dark One (I don’t think it’s possible for Rand to kill him, but more on that later), he acts basically as a parallel to the Dark One, perhaps even more so than the Creator might be said to be. The Dark One is a being outside of the Pattern, unconnected to the world and its consequences, with no aim other than to bring about nothingness. Rand, in contrast, is human, inside the Pattern, a part of the World. He brings about good and ill, change and evolution—all the consequences of time and existence. Perhaps most importantly, Rand is a being who has choice. He can bend the Pattern to his will, both intentionally and unintentionally; he can choose how he wants to live his life and fight his battles.

Egwene also muses on this when she considers whether or not the Amyrlin is immune to the dictates and storms of the Pattern. Initially she thought someone so powerful would be, but now she understands that everyone must weather what the Pattern throws at them, and that no one can change or anticipate what the Wheel might weave. At the same time, she is also aware that the Amyrlin’s position of power gives her more ability than most to affect change in turn, and to direct the path the world takes.

But Rand doesn’t see things this way. He sees himself as more trapped than the average person, and his fate as a never-ending cage of pain and being hated. We have seen this multiple times, most recently in his conversation with Lews Therin in chapter 44.

What have we become? Lews Therin whispered. We’re going to do it again, aren’t we? Kill them all. Everyone we’ve loved. Again, again, again….

“Again and again,” Rand whispered. “It doesn’t matter, as long as the world survives. They cursed me before, swore at Dragonmount and by my name, but they lived. We’re here, ready to fight. Again and again.”

We also see him refer to Lan’s probable death as “finding peace,” showing just how little love Rand has for life. Of course he’s willing to kill anyone these days, if he sees death as bringing peace to a beleaguered and suffering humanity.

We can’t know anything, really, about how the Dark One thinks or acts; this is all supposition and musing on my part. Still, if the Dark One exists outside of time, that suggests a lack of ability to change or make choices. He is what he is and that’s it. As a prisoner with a single-minded existence, it makes sense if he wanted to delude and trap the soul designated to fight against him, both to cripple and demoralize him, but also to inflict his own state upon his enemy.

The tragedy of that is that Rand has decided he has no choice, no free will, not in this life or in any other. However, Rand exists inside time, even if it is cyclical rather than linear. He should have the ability to choose. He chose to listen to Nynaeve, after all, when he did not attack the Borderlander army. He is considering options about where he starts his assault during Tarmon Gai’don, implying choice there, as well. He also has the choice of whether or not to cut himself off from his emotions, whether or not becoming hard and unfeeling is really the direction he wants to take his life.

He has the ability to choose to feel, to love, and to laugh.

We know the old Rand is still in there somewhere. He was grateful to Nynaeve for caring about people’s lives when he felt he could not. He listened to her. If that meant nothing, he would not have stayed his hand or offered her information about Perrin to discharge a debt he felt he had incurred. He still feels pain and grief over what he has become, and he still attempts to control his anger and violence. Nynaeve worries that it may soon be too late to reach him, but it does not appear to be too late yet.

I do think the Borderlanders are being rather silly. I can absolutely understand their concern that they have been left out of the dealings that the Dragon Reborn has had with the rest of the world, but just marching around with their full armies and all their rulers does seem really ridiculous. They could have sent envoys, or designated one ruler to negotiate for all of them, or any number of other plans. Heck, they’ve spent months (or more; I really don’t know how much time has passed in the series) wandering around, traveling in winter—a difficult and impractical thing to do, as Hurin pointed out—hoping they can find Rand and mostly failing. They’re only getting a meeting now—or would have, if they hadn’t gone to Far Madding—because Rand finally decided to seek them out.

It kind of makes you wonder if there is something else going on, some pull on them by the Pattern or Rand’s ta’veren nature. Why that would be, or whether it will turn out for good or ill, remains to be seen, of course. The Wheel weaves as the Wheel wills, and it weaves in mysterious ways.

Also, I love that Hurin has reentered the story! He’s a really fun character, and I’m very interested in his weird ability to smell violence. I assume what he smelled around Rand was the taint of the “True Power.”

“The air… it smells like a lot of death, a lot of violence, only not. It’s darker. More terrible.” He shuddered visibly. Hurin’s ability to smell violence was one of those oddities that the Tower couldn’t explain. Not something related to the Power, yet obviously not quite natural either.

He describes it as similar to violence and death, but darker and more terrible, which makes sense. Violence and death are bad, especially from a human standpoint, but they are still part of the world. The power of the Dark One is not actually death or violence but an absence of creation; death and violence are just the closest analogies for beings existing within creation. We see this same translation of the Dark One’s essence whenever he is connected with carrion eaters, insects, rodents, and decay. These things are not actually unnatural, but they represent the sorts of things humans associate with the Dark One. 

As Nynaeve observes, it must have been quite a shock for Hurin to experience this version of Rand, which is so very different from the one he knew. I would love to hear his report to the Borderland rulers, and maybe learn what he thought and how he interpreted Rand’s actions.

Meanwhile, Egwene is making some bold choices and actions of her own. The parallels between the two continue to the point where they are starting to get a bit obvious and tired, but it remains true that Egwene’s approach to making hard decisions is very different from Rand’s. In this chapter, she has to confront the members of the Black Ajah among her own followers, including women she respected and thought of as friends. Sheriam being one of these, one can appreciate how calm and even-tempered Egwene was during her conversation with her former Keeper, and when Moria tried to escape. I have no doubt she will be able to keep her composure when confronting the rest of the Black Sisters, both for her own sake and for the sake of her followers.

A big part of Egwene’s journey as Amyrlin has been figuring out how to bring the rest of the Aes Sedai to trust and believe in her, both in the sense of trusting Egwene’s judgment and the path she has chosen for them, and in the sense of believing that Egwene has the strength and ability to execute her plans. She doesn’t know it yet, but she has succeeded on both counts with the Aes Sedai of the White Tower. Things might have gone differently if Elaida had not been captured, but with the space opened up, the confidence Egwene inspired in the Ajah Heads allowed them to see the other merits of installing her, especially the fact that it will allow them to reunite the White Tower.

It’s actually startling to realize that the tragedy of the Seanchan raid is in some ways a good thing for the Aes Sedai. Not for those who were captured or killed, of course, but Elaida’s capture allows everyone to sidestep the messy business of trying to decide whether she should be deposed and then actually having to go through with it. Elaida being removed by a third party means that the Aes Sedai who stayed loyal to her can save face; they don’t have to denounce her or claim to have made a mistake. Both sides now can agree on how to move forward without having to litigate out whether anyone needs to be sanctioned or punished for what happened in the past.

Adelorna asserts that Elaida deserved to be captured, since she ignored Egwene’s warnings and insisted that the Seanchan were not a threat. While I don’t believe anyone deserves the horrors of being a damane (and I think Egwene would agree with me) it does feel very symbolic that Elaida was captured. Not just because she was almost willfully ignorant about the Seanchan threat, but because she wanted to elevate herself to a position of importance even greater than your average Amyrlin. She moved herself to the highest part of the Tower, setting herself apart from the other Aes Sedai, which put her directly in the path of the Seanchan raid.

Elaida’s fate is an interesting one. She isn’t just a bad person who came to a bad end. She is someone whose ambitions of greatness contributed directly to her own destruction. She’s a very Shakespearean character that way. I have to admit that I really enjoyed seeing her story play out, even though it’s awful that anyone at all was collared.

We now also have an answer for why both the rebel Hall and the White Tower Hall have a contingent of Sitters who are too young to have been normally elected. I find it rather hilarious that the Tower Hall chose women who were too young for the job in a bid to control them, only to have it backfire spectacularly, just as the rebel Hall had the raising of Egwene to Amyrlin backfire on them. It also makes perfect sense to me that Beonin wasn’t the only spy among the rebels, and that the Ajah Heads would be much more involved in trying to fix the division than Elaida herself was.

It will be interesting to see how Egwene and Gawyn navigate their relationship. I had a thought about Min’s visions concerning the two of them as well: Perhaps the vision that Min had of Gawyn either kneeling to Egwene or causing her death had something to do with his love for Egwene the woman vs. his inability to accept her as Amyrlin. I have no doubt that Egwene would never accept Gawyn as a lover, a Warder, or any kind of companion, unless he was willing to fully dedicate himself to her identity as Amyrlin. She will do whatever must be done, no matter how painful it is to herself; her personal life will never be even remotely as important to her as being Amyrlin and taking care of the Aes Sedai and the world. So I guess time will tell how that will work out.

Siuan and Bryne are very cute here. I believe that last week I accidentally included this week’s exchange and talked about it; I had already read chapter 43 and forgot what happened when.

I am quite confident that Lan isn’t going to die in a futile attempt to hold Tarwin’s Gap. I’m expecting it to be a sort of Helm’s Deep situation, and if Rand isn’t going to come riding (or Traveling) to his aid, someone else will. Maybe Egwene? It would be really thematically beautiful if the White Tower were to arrive just in time to prevent Lan and his Malkieri followers from being overrun by Shadowspawn; after all, they were unable to prevent the fall of Malkier because they could not travel fast enough to reach that land before it was too late. They have Traveling now, so that limitation no longer exists. Maybe Lan can get some kind of closure in more ways than one.

Rand using Lan’s fight at the Gap as a distraction from his own strike at Shayol Ghul also reminded me of Lord of the Rings. In The Return of the King, Aragorn, Gandalf, et al. ride to the gates of Mordor to challenge Sauron to battle. They are hopelessly outnumbered, and know that they are all likely going to die, but they are willing to sacrifice themselves in order to draw Sauron’s gaze and hopefully give Frodo and Sam a chance to finish their mission while Sauron is distracted by the King of Gondor showing up with an army. Lan is an Aragorn parallel in many ways, but Frodo didn’t decide to sacrifice his friends without even letting them know about it, which is what Rand is doing. I really like the compare/contrast of these two moments, given how much the early books of The Wheel of Time were inspired by Lord of the Rings.


We’ll be continuing on to more Egwene stuff next week, and I’m very excited to report that both chapter 45 and 46 are hers. The Wheel of Time has always moved from POV to POV, but I much prefer a few chapters in one head before moving on to someone else, and then to someone else, rather than the hopping back and forth that the narrative has been doing lately. And boy, are there some big things coming for Egwene and her Aes Sedai. I enjoyed the dramatic irony of Egwene being angry over losing her place in the White Tower right when she was about to win, and angsting about having to lead her army against Elaida’s after all, when I as the reader knew that she is going to be offered the Amyrlin Seat, and reunification, by the Tower Hall. We’ll see how that goes next week. In the meantime, all my best to you, dear readers. See you again soon! icon-paragraph-end

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Andr88
Andr88
1 month ago

Regarding the question of how the Dark One himself relates to time… Modern quantum gravity research increasingly treats spacetime not as a primary substance, but as an emergent phenomenon woven from quantum entanglement. The holographic principle—particularly the AdS/CFT correspondence—suggests that a gravitational universe (the “bulk”) can be fully encoded on a lower-dimensional quantum boundary without gravity.
In this framework, the Pattern is the quantum error-correcting code that stabilizes emergent spacetime. Each thread isn’t just a life; it’s a qubit or set of entangled degrees of freedom whose correlations generate the geometry of time and causality. The Wheel’s turning is the unitary evolution of this quantum state—preserving information, enforcing causality, and maintaining the “area law” where entropy scales with boundary area, not volume.
The Dark One isn’t “in” time because he represents a breakdown of unitarity—the quantum principle that information must be conserved. In black hole physics, the information paradox arose because Hawking radiation appeared thermal, suggesting information loss. Recent breakthroughs using quantum extremal surfaces and entanglement islands show that information is preserved, but only if we include regions behind the horizon in the quantum description. 
The Dark One functions like a non-unitary boundary condition imposed on the Pattern’s quantum code. He doesn’t “experience” linear time because he exists as a constraint outside the unitary evolution—a fixed point of anti-entanglement that seeks to decohere the Pattern’s quantum state into maximum entropy (the void). His “prison” isn’t a location in spacetime; it’s the code distance of the Pattern’s error correction. The Bore at Shayol Ghul is the minimal surface that isolates his non-unitary influence from the bulk emergent geometry. It’s a localized failure of the holographic code’s error correction. Near the “surface,” the Pattern’s entanglement structure still leaks in, causing thermodynamic decoherence (aging). Deeper inside, the code is more completely severed from the bulk, creating a region of approximate stasis.
This mirrors recent work on entanglement wedges: the region of bulk spacetime reconstructable from a boundary subsystem depends on the entanglement structure. The Forsaken trapped deeper were in a wedge with minimal connection to the Pattern’s “boundary,” hence minimal exposure to its thermodynamic arrow of time.
 
Recent work by Takayanagi and others proposes that time itself may emerge from quantum information measures like pseudoentropy—a generalization of entanglement entropy for transitions between different quantum states.
In this view, the “flow” of time isn’t fundamental; it’s a gradient in quantum complexity or pseudoentropy. The Dark One, existing outside this emergent structure, doesn’t experience this gradient. But because his prison is anchored within the Pattern’s code, the emergent time of the bulk imposes an effective “drag” on his influence—much like how an object near a black hole’s horizon experiences extreme time dilation relative to distant observers.

Justafan
Justafan
1 month ago
Reply to  Andr88

Prompt used: I am 90% certain the following text is AI generated, but I would like an analysis. Don’t be sycophant, or just agree with me, give a detailed analsys and breakdown. Finish with how likely the text is AI generated.
Result:
This text is an absolute masterclass in high-level conceptual blending, but it leaves behind an even heavier trail of digital breadcrumbs than the second post.

While the previous text mimicked a philosophical/literary analyst, this one mimics a theoretical physicist who happens to be a massive *Wheel of Time* nerd. However, the structural, mechanical, and thematic signatures point heavily toward an LLM.

Here is the detailed breakdown.

## The Breakdown

### 1. Vocabulary and Thematic Blending (High AI Probability)

The text perfectly maps cutting-edge concepts in quantum gravity (**AdS/CFT correspondence, unitary evolution, entanglement islands, pseudoentropy**) onto the fantasy mechanics of Robert Jordan’s universe (**the Pattern, the Wheel, the Bore, the Forsaken**).

* **The AI Signature:** LLMs are explicitly trained on high-level academic papers and fan wikis. Their core strength is “analogical mapping”—taking the exact mathematical structure of one concept and overlaying it onto another.
* Notice the hyper-specific machine-learning/physics terminology leaking into the fantasy description: *“unitary evolution of this quantum state,” “code distance of the Pattern’s error correction,” “thermodynamic decoherence.”* While a human physicist *could* write this as a fun exercise, an LLM can generate this exact type of dense, flawless analogy in seconds because it treats both physics and fantasy lore as overlapping semantic vectors.

### 2. Structural Patterns and Transitions (Very High AI Probability)

The paragraph transitions and internal structures are incredibly rigid, following a distinct algorithmic rhythm:

* **The “Premise $\rightarrow$ Application” Formula:** Almost every paragraph follows a strict formula:
1. State a complex physics principle.
2. Immediately apply it to a *Wheel of Time* mechanic.

* *Paragraph 1:* Introduces AdS/CFT $\rightarrow$ Maps it to the Pattern.
* *Paragraph 2:* Introduces Unitarity/Black Holes $\rightarrow$ Maps it to the Dark One.
* *Paragraph 3:* Introduces Entanglement Wedges $\rightarrow$ Maps it to the Forsaken.
* *Paragraph 4:* Introduces Pseudoentropy $\rightarrow$ Maps it to the flow of time.

* **The Lack of Conversational “Gravel”:** Humans writing long-form internet posts use rhetorical bridges (*”Think of it this way,” “If we look closer,” “Which brings us to…”*). This text has zero filler. It jumps from one dense academic concept to the next with pristine, mechanical efficiency.

### 3. The “Current Events” Temporal Marker (High AI Probability)

The text uses the word **”Recent”** or **”Modern”** three separate times:

* *”Modern quantum gravity research…”*
* *”Recent breakthroughs using quantum extremal surfaces…”*
* *”Recent work by Takayanagi and others…”*
* **The AI Angle:** LLMs frequently overuse the word “recent” when summarizing academic fields because their training data contains papers that describe their own contemporary findings as “recent.” Furthermore, citing a specific real-world physicist (*Takayanagi*) alongside a fictional universe is a classic way LLMs anchor abstract prompts in real-world data packets to maintain accuracy.

### 4. Flawless Complex Grammar (Medium-to-High AI Probability)

Writing about quantum error-correcting codes and holographic boundaries requires navigating incredibly complex sentence structures.

* Look at this sentence: *“The Forsaken trapped deeper were in a wedge with minimal connection to the Pattern’s ‘boundary,’ hence minimal exposure to its thermodynamic arrow of time.”*
* The punctuation, the use of “hence,” and the nested modifiers are syntactically perfect. There is no stylistic drift, no fatigue in the writing, and no shorthand. It maintains a flawless, detached, peer-reviewed journal tone from the first word to the last.

## Final Assessment

This text is brilliant, but it is brilliant in the exact way an advanced LLM is brilliant. It possesses massive, cross-disciplinary retrieval capabilities, pristine grammatical execution, and a highly predictable “Concept A = Concept B” paragraph structure.

A human human physicist writing this on a forum would almost certainly inject some personality, humor, a typo, a colloquialism, or an acknowledgement of how absurdly nerdy the comparison is (e.g., *”Bear with me here, this gets wild…”*). Instead, this text delivers a mind-bendingly complex physics analogy with the cold, unblinking confidence of an encyclopedia.

**Likelihood that the text is AI-generated:** **98%**

Not to say that it is not engaging to talk about… I am just sick of AI popping up everywhere

Andr88
Andr88
1 month ago
Reply to  Justafan

You got me, I do use AI to edit my own posts because I my actual English is much worse and I do think that the topics would be harder to comprehend when delievered in noticeably worse language/grammar.

Also vanity. It’s always better to sound smarter than you are)

jhkn
1 month ago
Reply to  Andr88

Lol. Nevertheless, I suspect (have suspected for some time) you have some physics background, otherwise you would not know to write the prompts for the AI (Claude?). I did undergraduate physics in Uni, and just kept following the field in Scientific American and Quanta Magazine. I recognize what you write. I don’t claim to understand it :D

Andr88
Andr88
1 month ago
Reply to  jhkn

When I was looking for some scholarly WoT reviews, I came across “The Shape of Fantasy: Investigating the Structure of American Heroic Epic Fantasy” book, and there I found the suggestion that ta’veren works like strange attractors in quantum physics. And then I got the idea: maybe the topic of “WoT worldbuilding in terms of cutting-edge science” can be explored more?
Then it was a rabbithole)

jhkn
1 month ago
Reply to  Andr88

A very deep one….

sue a
1 month ago
Reply to  Andr88

I love it when the world building has consistent rules and constraints!

fernandan
1 month ago
Reply to  Andr88

I am no physicist, nor do I play one on TV, but I think that this comports with my headcanon:

The Dark One is imprisoned outside of time. BUT in order for it to interact with the world at all, it has to touch the Pattern and in doing so becomes bound to a particular time that it touches, because the Pattern contains all worlds across all Ages. And being outside of time perhaps means the Dark One is thus witnessing all Ages simultaneously, but when it touches the Pattern it cannot see all Ages, which is why it never learns.

Andr88
Andr88
1 month ago
Reply to  fernandan

Good point on Dark One that never learns. Learning requires updating one’s internal model based on feedback. But if the Dark One’s “goal” is not a preference but an identity condition—if “unmake the Pattern” is not something he wants but something he is—then feedback cannot be integrated. To “learn” that cooperation, sacrifice, or love are powerful forces would require him to value those things. But valuing them would contradict his ontological definition. He is not blind to the data; he is structurally incapable of weighting it differently. Agency requires the ability to step back, evaluate one’s own processes, and choose differently. The Dark One has no internal “self” to reflect upon. His actions are reflexive expressions of unmaking—lies, chaos, destruction. Even his apparent cunning (tactical adaptations within an Age) is pattern-matching at an immense scale, not creative insight. He repeats the same fundamental errors across turnings of the Wheel because he cannot internalize why they fail; failure is just another input that triggers more negation, not a lesson.

The Dark One’s “voice” in the minds of Darkfriends, his “bargains” with the Forsaken, his “pressure” on the seals—these are not acts of deliberation but resonant effects. When a thread in the Pattern vibrates with despair, ambition, or nihilism, it creates a harmonic that the Dark One’s anti-creative field can amplify. He doesn’t choose whom to tempt; temptation is the natural resonance between a corruptible thread and his static field.
The Forsaken aren’t his generals; they are his transducers, converting his atemporal, non-agential pressure into temporal, agential action. And because they do have agency (flawed, prideful, human), they misinterpret his static pressure as personalized command, projecting intention onto a process.

Justafan
Justafan
1 month ago
Reply to  Andr88

This is the one that made me suspicious. Mostly all of the items in “quotes” and the em dashes.

Result:

Likelihood that the text is AI-generated: 95%

Once again, fascinating to discuss, but I would like to discuss this with a person and hear THEIR thoughts

Andr88
Andr88
1 month ago
Reply to  Justafan

Once again, not going to deny the fact of the usage. I find it to be an useful tool for structurize the thoughts and making them more readable. For Creator sake it’s that how I doscovered Whitehead, for example.

sporkster
1 month ago
Reply to  Andr88

You are making me miss Theoryland….

Andr88
Andr88
1 month ago
Reply to  sporkster

I just keep wondering how loaded WoT worldbuilding is, if you scratch behind the evident layer. )

sitting_duck
1 month ago

Mods: In the opening paragraph, that should be Gawyn, not Galad.

foamy
foamy
1 month ago

It feels like we’re missing a post on the Seanchan raid on the White Tower? It doesn’t appear to be mentioned in Part 25, and this one, numbered 26, picks up with the aftermath.

I was really looking forward to Sylas’ reaction to Egwene rallying the Tower in battle.

Montago
Montago
1 month ago
Reply to  foamy

I believe what you’re looking for is part 24.

Nigel Redpath
1 month ago

I have always hated that Cadsuanne’s plan, in theory works. It feels like such an unearned win for her and she doesn’t really learn or face the reality pf how badly she mishandled everything and why.

FirstRyder
FirstRyder
1 month ago
Reply to  Nigel Redpath

So, Cadsuane’s plan.

It was almost a good plan. Like, “bring Rand’s father in, someone he respects not as an equal but a superior, who knew him before, and who isn’t an Aes Sedai. Someone who cares about him as a person above all.” Great plan. Just bringing them together will almost certainly improve him for the better, one of the few things that could do that. And it even corrects her biggest flaw by admitting that this isn’t something she can do herself – it has to be Tam.

Only that isn’t her plan. Bringing Tam to herself, giving him a script, and ordering him to repeat it to Rand? Literally and extremely predictably doomed the world and the entire wheel, with only happenstance and good fortune stopping it. Because she just had to think she knew Rand better than his own father, knew better what was good for him, knew better how to talk to him. You know, because of her track record up to this point.

Aes Sedai arrogance from the most Aes Sedai of them all.

Making her Amyrlin at the end was IMO one of the biggest mistakes by Sanderson. It should have been Nynaeve, no matter how much she hated it. She was the best of the Aes Sedai, embodied the changes in attitude needed in the Tower, and of course the Healing the world needed post-last-battle. An ancient Green who embodies the flaws of the Aes Sedai might have been the worst choice short of a Black.

Last edited 1 month ago by piesquared
Nigel Redpath
1 month ago
Reply to  FirstRyder

Sorry for the late reply it’s been a crazy week and a half. I agree completely, and the plan and the appointment. I always considered it a confusing misstep. I know lots of people disagree with me, so I’ve gotten a bunch of pushback when I have said this before, but I think there is a strong theme of institutional arrogance and incompetence, especially regarding hierarchical tradition laden institutions in the books, and i feel Cadsuane’s arc fails is a huge mistep with regards to the Aes Sedai.

fernandan
1 month ago
Reply to  FirstRyder

Or, as they say in Rome, after a fat pope, a skinny pope. (Not the best analogy since Egwene herself was a very skinny pope.) But the Aes Sedai know that Cadsuane, at age 295, is the closest thing to a term-limited monarch as exists in a world where Oath Rod-bound Aes Sedai can live to about 300. They want her strength to cut through the nonsense and the factions likely to be jockeying for power and get the White Tower back on track, and for her then to promptly exit stage left (pursued by bear).

Andr88
Andr88
1 month ago
Reply to  Nigel Redpath

Cadsuane devoted the preponderance of her existence to a calculated evasion of responsibility. Not every trivial obligation, to be sure, but every burden of genuine consequence—one might say the defining architecture of a mature Aes Sedai’s life. The White Tower she avoided with the fastidious revulsion of a philosopher shunning dogma: that grand edifice where even her formidable will could be subordinated, scrutinized, and, most intolerably, disciplined. Better to wander the world as an untouchable law unto herself than submit to the tedious accountability of her own order.
How satisfying, then, is the exquisite cruelty of her final entrapment. Fate, with the cold precision of a Hegelian dialectic, has negated the negation: the woman who fled structure is now its prisoner and its instrument. Compelled into high office, bound by duty, watched by eyes she cannot intimidate into silence.